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1. rolexdc 2012-10-01 10:00:54

if 樓是不會升,是沒有人會買的.
2. KOW 2012-10-01 11:36:26

想香港樓市冧的人, *佢地想住地方*一定係樓市平,冇 乜人係街.....

移民吧!!!

 

3. HK guy 2012-10-01 14:49:38

The most horrible thing for property price falling 50% in HK :

1) Government rely heavily on the land selling and related tax, if the property price is falling, land value will follow, if you remember 2003, Civil servants had to cut salaries, government need to simplify the structure by recruiting less people because the huge net loss per year could go up to 100 billions, so after 4 years (the financial reserve is only 400 billions), HK government can go bankrupcy !

2) Government tax is simple and very low in HK, yet most of land selling surplus were being used to support public housing, subsidy housing, medical, education, social welfare and civil servants salaries, do not underestimate its expenses, currently these spending altogether could be up to 200 billions per year

3) If the property price going down  by 50%, bank will call loans, thousands of property owners would turn to negative assets, everyone will keep the spending to minimum, so the economy shrinkage would be huge than anyone could imagine;

4) Instead of lending money, banks will turn off the water supply to keep alive, they would not only call loans for property owners, they would also call loans from the commerical organizations, some middle or lower organization would turn bankrupcy, causing chain reaction and unempolyment rates to go up in a rocket launch speed ;

5) So for those who want to make property price dropping 50% and try to buy back, I am sure they will dare not to buy back when the price did really go up by 50% because he may lose a job, even they got a lot of real cash, They would rather keep themselves alive by safeguard this cash rather than buying anything !

When the HK government financial really collapse what will happen is the vicious cycle follow up :

1) cut social welfare, cut civil servants salaries, increase tax for all levels, cut medicial and education subsidies, increase huge tax for commerical organizations and in return lay offs follows later on...

So who will benefit ? Everyone AND All Level in HK has to suffer in certain extent ! Think about it before you want HK property price drop by 50%

 

4. Guy 2012-10-01 15:12:00

 IF people memory is good, you may remember during 2003 in Tung Chee Wah's time,the following is the real that ever happened :  

 *HK government has cut the civil servants salary after market comparison and assesssment between private sector and government jobs nature, previously there is no such a study between private organization and governement organizations;

 * HK government at that time resume the investigation of Product Selling tax and would like to introduce this tax some experts in U (actually bookworms) at that time claimed the tax coverage in HK is too narrow that it could be balance the loss ;

* HK asked to cut certain % of funding to all the universities in HK, not sure if anyone remember;

 * HK government also cut social welfare to some levels ...

 From the top richest to the lowest class , everyone has to suffer ! if you remember, Mr Lee stock asset had signficantly dropped in SARS times, some of my friends' relatives who losed a leg and permanently can't work remembered the monthly disable subsidies has dropped 20% during the most difficult time.

Working class salary system cancel double pay and all turn to bonus base, I believe many companies had changed to this at that time.

 Lay offs had been heard every end of year where company will cut the 10% low performance head counts;

 The painful and sufferings from 97-03 has been a cycle of learing to HKSAR Government  

 

   

5. 住樓與環保 2012-10-01 15:12:25
用膠袋環保定紙袋環保;食野環保定唔食野環保;瞓街環保定瞓樓環保;政策良好致最環保。
但實際最有錢係最環保,因佢地有決定權。
6. Tommy Leung 2012-10-01 15:19:01
當普買大眾沒有工作做,沒有飯開的時候,就算政府贈送物業給市民都沒有用,因為要負擔差餉,地租,管理費,現在的新盤管理費貴得離奇,買一個三房每個月要幾年蚊管理費,樓價升時笑呵呵,樓價跌時就慘啦,養層樓養到破產,陰公!
7. xx 2012-10-01 15:41:19
For those bullshit people who keep on wishing the property price drops and think of different way to rob the money from the property owner (e.g. extend the SDD, strength the SDD, set up regulation for the rental market etc.), they should read this article and comments from 1 - 6 twice or more to understand the impact on HK for 'killing' the property market and punish the property owner before they provide those stupid and rubbish suggestion on this matter!

PS, I am not a fan of Dr. Tong, but I agree with him totally on this time!
8. O 2012-10-01 16:38:55

  Before you want HK property price to drop 50% :

Pls think who give you the following :

1) Everyone got 6 K cash in HK ;

2) 600HK$ travel subsidy for all low wages workers ;

3) 2.2K Fruit cash will likely give to every elderly;

4) KAi Tai with seaview Public housing or many new urban public housing  ;

5) Very low tax rates with a lot of allowance;

6) Social security and welfare to those poor.

All of these and many more is benefiting from the High Land Value policy in HK ! Who can decline this ? The salary tax is less than 1% of Government income while majority coming from Land , Why ? Think about it carefully.

 THose against the new development zone/New town scheme is actually the real enemy of HK total interests while Oil / Gold is making money, HK is actually touching stone as gold.

 

9. ABC 2012-10-01 21:36:33
I discover that for those who want the property price going down and express negative thinking about property price usually write emotional chinese articles. I believe that majority of HK people cannot guess the property price/trend correctly. Only a few experienced people win finally.
10. 為南丫島海難祈禱 2012-10-02 11:40:08

為南丫島海難祈禱...

繼菲律賓人質事件,南丫島海難是香港死得最多人的一宗災難事故.

11. 路過 2012-10-02 12:32:11
so sad for 南丫島海難
12. ZZZ 2012-10-02 14:34:13
For those bullshit people who keep on wishing the property price goes up crazily and think of different way to rob the money from the non-property owner (e.g. suggest to cancel the SDD, to cease the SDD, to say objection to regulation for the rental market etc.). The people who made the comments from 1 - 6 are all big property investers or agents. They all want to make impact on HK by enlarging the bubble of the property market. They only want to persuade the citizen to buy property with crazy, high and unreasonable price. They are providing the poison and worst suggestions to the citizen on this matter! PS, I am not a fan of Dr. Tong, and I totally disagree with him all the time!
13. CBA 2012-10-02 14:50:19
I discover that for those who want the property price going up and express aggressive thinking about property price usually write emotional chinese articles. I believe that majority of HK people like the property price/trend stay in a healthy condition. However, a lot of bad people want the property market stay in a crazy condition.
14. 同意12 & 13 樓 2012-10-02 15:01:45
樓市冧,香港亦不會冧,只有炒家冧。 樓市冧,政府亦不會冧,只有同政府對着幹的人冧。
15. 路人 2012-10-02 16:51:39
香港獲選為最方便宜居城市,樓價當然不便宜,這是居住在香港的代價!千多年前古人已經有句名言『長安不易居』,當年長安就是繁榮、富足、方便、人才鼎盛!
16. 憑良心說話 2012-10-02 19:21:23
如果有人還認為現在樓價不算過高,就是沒良心說話。買樓是普通市民畢生最大的支出,與一般生活日用必需品不可同一比併。實況就是因為現在樓價高不可攀,普羅市民難以支付,只可租屋住,做成租屋需求大增,租金飛升,劏房盛行。市民生活困苦勞累也沒有一個安樂的居所,做成民怨。有良心的人也應該放低自身利益,讚成及支持政府繼續打壓樓市,解決房屋問題。
17. 睇得通 2012-10-02 20:03:21

發現:    16. 憑良心說話......原來香港也有:  憑良心說話......

有良心的人也應該放低自身利益,讚成及支持政府繼續打壓樓市,解決房屋問題。 ................

現在有極大的政治力量阻止政府開發新界北土地發展區..........是否他們更有良心...........

18. 又是路人 2012-10-02 20:27:26
當外資有很多物業或已入了很多貨要推高個市的時候,便選那地方為最方便宜居的城市囉。
19. 睇唔通 2012-10-02 20:37:05
如果有極大的政治力量阻止政府開發新界北土地發展區..........政府便應以農地價收其地..........政府自己興建大量平價實用樓宇供應市場,令樓市不再瘋癲...............
20. 向饭民说不 2012-10-02 21:05:22
政府便應以農地價收其地---雖然是最合理的做法,但是破壞派,原居民,大地產商會接受嗎?
21. 煲浪追浪 2012-10-02 22:09:06

當一個城市因本身條件而令至地價及樓價高企是正常不過現實~如近至廣州/琛圳及東莞...廣州2-3萬一平方米/琛圳亦是~~~但反觀東莞只6千內,而彰木頭及淡水均於3千內一平方米.於共產國家內亦會產生樓價問題,試想像香港這自由經濟體當然不能避免....當日曾特首開晒聲叫大家去遠一點上車,如元朗區均是4k內,可惜大多數人過份輸打贏要.今曰龍門過萬,悔不當初....QE是一套很長的連續劇,當外圍經濟環境越差,QE開出力度越大.當然~樓價真的有點高,但建築成本是三千多一尺,地價四/五千.後面自己會計,唔好自己厄自己了.不然叫政府唔好賣地由政府起樓,全部共屋,但要記得共屋政府是每年要倒貼的,到時香港會點,大家好易明白.......不要用一己之私殺了香港為重.

22. 儀儀 2012-10-02 22:30:25
認同樓上(16.)的觀點, 普羅大眾不會窮一身積蓄去買一斤豬肉、一隻雞或一個水桶,只會用畢生儲蓄去買樓, 所以作者用日用必需品的價格和樓價的瘋癲作比較是欠缺公度的,不應相題併論作為則疑政府打壓樓市的廹切性。
23. 周四,全港哀悼日 2012-10-02 23:36:38
南丫島嚴重撞船意外,增至37死近百傷。行政長官梁振英表示,把周四定為全港哀悼日,中午12時默哀3分鐘
24. 玖 2012-10-03 00:00:19

近來真的改善了, 不會下下擦思歪鞋.

湯博士有返骨氣之後!

25. 窮是因無腦, 普通是因無能 2012-10-03 08:30:29
TO:16/F

政府打壓樓市的真正目標是無足夠能力置業的普通市民,你支持政府繼續打壓樓市,就等於求政府打多你兩錘jar.
26. 為香港默哀 2012-10-03 09:58:18
維港除了用來放煙火外,根本用途不大,只會不斷發生意外,市區用地不足,應該將維港填平,為未來20年內1000萬人口大都市作準備,現在已跑輸上海大城市和新加坡這樣的小城市,將來必定跑輸大陸的其他大城市和台灣,香港人為了自身利益實在太扮環保和造作,市區無地,唔填維港,那裡找市區地呢!
27. 我愛人民幣力量 2012-10-03 10:13:38


QE3=超級通脹,美國未來10年都好難加息,發了咁多債,點會想還高息!歐美日現在已聯手印廢紙到世界各地購買實物資產,港元只會跟隨變廢紙,人民幣兌港元將持續上升,大陸資金購買力將大幅提升,資金必定流入香港樓市,包括住宅和商業樓宇。
現在冇樓或只得一層自住樓的必然會變成輸家。只有樓和貴金屬才能對沖甚至跑贏
超級通 脹,中原CCL指數3年內好大機會升至180點,即比現在上升約70%,租樓住的必然首當其沖成為業主奴隸,因為未來幾年隨著舊租約到期,業主必定瘋狂加 租,再加上物價飛升,這些租樓住的人將會向下流變成窮中產甚至低下層。得一層自住樓的也不會好過,因為隨著通脹和租值上升,差餉、地租、管理費、維 修...等各樣開支也會大幅上升。
所以現在應該盡能力買多幾層樓,才能有效對沖超級通脹,由輸家變成贏家,這樣才會有好日子過!


28. 掃貨啦!仲等乜! 2012-10-03 10:24:42

現在係買貨的時候,唔係爭吵的時候,QE3將會刺激超級通脹,美國低息環境將持續20年,恆指今季目標25000,兩年內升至40000點,樓市未來十年好大機會升多兩倍。


29. 炒商廈商舖 2012-10-03 10:34:30
一舖養三代,買舖收租,一定唔會錯!舖位供應在過去十多年都冇乜增加,自由行就年年雙位數增長,生意暢旺,租金大把上升空間,每兩年加租一倍,條數好易計,買舖收租,認真和味!

30. Marco 2012-10-03 12:55:46
博士,有见地!政府应放松打压楼市政策而不是一味打压再打压,相信这与财爷连任有关,而陈得林又反应过敏地收紧楼按,似乎是反智的一个行为!

对于逢三退一,在下却不太赞成,起码2015年前不需要退一,再下一城才是正路!
31. 心有餘而力不足 2012-10-03 13:20:34
同意, 港府只是一隻坡腳鴨, 只要美國不加息, 港府對樓價無為力.
32. 地產代理及業界呼籲 2012-10-03 14:54:10
快啲買唔買走寶!QE3=超級通脹,美國未來10年都好難加息,發了咁多債,點會想還高息!歐美日現在已聯手印廢紙到世界各地購買實物資產,港元只會跟隨變廢紙,人民幣兌港元將持續上升,大陸資金購買力將大幅提升,資金必定流入香港樓市,包括住宅和商業樓宇。

現在冇樓或只得一層自住樓的必然會變成輸家。只有樓和貴金屬才能對沖甚至跑贏超級通 脹,中原CCL指數3年內好大機會升至180點,即比現在上升約70%,租樓住的必然首當其沖成為業主奴隸,因為未來幾年隨著舊租約到期,業主必定瘋狂加 租,再加上物價飛升,這些租樓住的人將會向下流變成窮中產甚至低下層。得一層自住樓的也不會好過,因為隨著通脹和租值上升,差餉、地租、管理費、維 修...等各樣開支也會大幅上升。

所以現在應該盡能力買多幾層樓,才能有效對沖超級通脹,由輸家變成贏家,這樣才會有好日子過!
33. Wong MR 2012-10-05 15:52:26
Dr Tong: Let's be honest: you and those who own property of course wants the property market to go up all the way. You are basically threatening the Government not to do anything to reshape the economy of HK because of your wealth and established rights. Yes, if property price drops, HK will have to face some difficult position too - but shouldn't the government look after all HK people rather than those who already own property? Selfish guys like you are NOT trying to do any good for HK but making as much as money as you can.

It is people like you who make money through selling pain to others.

Yes, people who do not own property at this point of time of course wants property price to get back to a reasonable level. It is their right to. They are also citizen of Hong Kong!

HK$10,000 for one sqf is reasonable? You tell me. Property giant are earning money at the expense of the city.