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1. 強國人 2012-07-05 17:38:48
強國人才是高水準的置業人士
2. 螢火虫 2012-07-05 19:43:07

"泡沬VS泡沬"比較,97時太古城是十几年樓, 現在是30年樓 , 同樣價錢, 點計???   貴咗幾多??? 請指教

3. 螢火虫 2012-07-05 19:47:11

1997 - 2012 的總樓宇供應有幾多??? 未來十年供應有幾多? 樓價是否只是給投資者炒高??? 令人買樓自住追不上

4. public house owner 2012-07-05 21:57:05
It is stupid for anyone not to apply for a public housing when he still does not have a house yet. Why he should pay for nearly all his income to rent a private house and never hope of save up enough to pay even for the initial deposit for the flat, not to mention he has to make a large monthly payment after that and risk interest rate rise and lost the house plus the initial deposits. After  he has got a public flat, than he has a chance to save up for the deposit of the new flat, if he want to buy. Meanwhile he should join the opposition parties to press the government to use policy to bring down the price of houses so that he may have the chance of buying. if Cy does not give in, bring him down and get somebody who does .
5. 目标三间屋 2012-07-05 22:11:31

其实香港的房产市场好比英雄地.  口袋有钱就能买.  所以有钱的内地人可能比本地人更能买, 虽然有点不服气. 

说实在, 新房当然比旧房贵.  可是现在钞票的购买力也不比已前.  硬把这两个对比可不一定有价值. 

还有, 博士用"劣質學生"来形容没有买房的人竟然没有被围攻, 是大家已经能客观或用平常心来看事情? 还是时间还早? 希望是前者.   

6. 目标三间屋 2012-07-05 22:22:38

TO 4/F,

你说的都合理.  只是问提在于看谁人多啦.  已经买了房还是正在等买房. 

还有问题在于就是他们真的用尽手段来买了房以后, 按照香港的优良传统, 他们大概也不会把公屋退回.  赢得这么尽, 谁还会跟你玩?

7. To 4/F 2012-07-05 22:54:12
It is a tragic of Hong Kong to have too many people like you. You only wish to take advantage of the hard working tax payer.
8. morlorwing 2012-07-05 23:18:50
2. 螢火虫: Gold price in 1997 was $324 while CCL was somewhere around 100. Simply using 100 / $324 meaning every CCL point (property) worth $0.31 oz of gold. In 2012 gold price is $1,600 and CCL is at 104. Now every CCL point worth only 104 / $1,600 = $0.065! meaning property price experienced a drop of 80% in TRUE value.

Please do not forget how the US printed its enormous amount of money and the appreciation of property price (100 -> 104) is simply being more fiat money chasing the limited amount of goods (property / land / food).
9. 向饭民说不 2012-07-05 23:47:21

6楼,我成日话香港有的就是公屋霸权。

不过今时今日公屋已经变成糖衣毒药,有几多人,懂得利用公屋低开支的好处,开展自己的投资方案,个个只是懂买名牌,消费,就等班废柴继续贫穷,世世代代贫穷,世世代代打最低工资的工吧。

10. anggie T. 2012-07-05 23:50:15

To No.2)

It doesn't work that way sometimes, Taikooshing has come up to become an index of reference in Island East because of its convenience & utility rate.  Yes, it's abit old if you don't put any furnishings inside but people that could afford to stay there mostly have paid off years ago & their defensive power is very good.  If you love there that means you'll have to pay more to get it=market price.  Same as Braemar Hill mansions, it's the top price per sq. ft among the area.

New apartments normally should have its values higher but please check the Tai Hang Rd new apartments(Serenade Tai Hang Rd No.13-15 & The Legend), the price is on average 15-16K for most of them even lower than 35 yrs old Braemar Hill Mansions(could be up to 20K per sq ft maxi).  Again, location, view & utility........Observing apartments with real potentials is also a "cool" game.  I just love it!!! 

11. public house owner 2012-07-06 08:00:34
12. 亮劍 2012-07-06 09:14:15

 TO 2. 螢火虫

 

如果將太古城全城推倒,然後將幅地攞出來拍賣,你估每呎樓面地價會係幾多??

13. 木子 2012-07-06 09:42:20

買不到私樓的人可住公屋

讀不到大學的人可讀副學士

問題是, 在市區起公屋, 相等於讀副學士的人起薪點更高

那就是不公平, 亦使大家沒有向上的動力

14. 螢火虫 2012-07-06 10:27:31

12樓

太古要收樓都不是個個俾! 您出到個 "感動價" 嗎? 又要拆&重建...超人都未必計到!!!  上萬個超級呎價單位, 等你買

15. to 短视的public house owner 2012-07-06 10:43:18

有本事在香港拿高薪的人会乖乖的留在香港给你宰,别傻了,他们有大把选择,最差比如新加坡。他们不一定非要HK不可,但HK却非他们不可。

今时今日,HK拿什么和其他地区竞争?逼走了精英,难道靠一班政客和公屋废柴,提升HK竞争力。

李嘉诚老一辈之后,香港后继无人,就是像你们这样的“精明”又可悲的人太多了。

16. 亮劍 2012-07-06 10:47:26

TO  螢火虫

其實我只係想講,以太古城臨海、地鐵上蓋、塊地仲係九九九年期嘅優質地,現在做緊平均每呎一萬銀,並非全無道理!

因為平均呎價一萬,真係連地價都唔止咁啫。

17. Mortgage 2012-07-06 11:23:01

To 16/F

There is a myth of the term 999 years. It is an agreement under Bristish governing, which could be overthrown by the SAR in 2047.

Another technical problem is the whole estate propably in deteriorating condition after 30 years.

I remember your view of riots triggered if the SAR deny the agreement. Honestly I wish it wouldnt come true. But what I can do with a property with land value but unsafe for accomodation?

18. Mortgage 2012-07-06 11:23:08

To 16/F

There is a myth of the term 999 years. It is an agreement under Bristish governing, which could be overthrown by the SAR in 2047.

Another technical problem is the whole estate propably in deteriorating condition after 30 years.

I remember your view of riots triggered if the SAR deny the agreement. Honestly I wish it wouldnt come true. But what I can do with a property with land value but unsafe for accomodation?

19. public house owner 2012-07-06 14:48:34
20. To 16 2012-07-06 16:17:42
太古城不會有收購重建, 沒有重建價值, 20年後太古城只是50年樓的舊樓.
21. 平常人 2012-07-06 16:28:27
張先生真要想方法令希望買樓的人可以買樓,而又不打擊樓價,同時又要注意政策不會變成向地產商傾斜或令抄家抄起樓價。看來,好難!!!!!
22. 無明 2012-07-06 16:31:56

To:18. Mortgage

想請教以下的問題是否會是真的, 999年期是假的?

"There is a myth of the term 999 years. It is an agreement under Bristish governing, which could be overthrown by the SAR in 2047"

23. anggie T. 2012-07-06 16:38:07

To 15) & 19)

I think Public House Owner has a point in the argument of applying public housing & save $$ for the downpayment, but I can also tell you the people's quality in this generation that applies & stays there dropped alot.  They can stay there & don't wanna move out & stay lazy, that's what differentiates the old & new generation(I also lived in public housing before)

The argument between 15) & 19) is kinder funny for me as the definition of Elite group is not clear!!!  Sorry Mr. Public Housing Owner I agree with u on that one 100% if the middle classes in H.K. try to find luck in other places(unless they're really professionals in their field)most likely cannot compete with the locals for their standard of English, creativity bla bla bla is too HK style.  So what they need to figure out is the new rule of the games on financial market to survive.

On the other hand, if I didn't get it wrong Mr. No.15)you're talking about the 3-5%group in H.K., making over 1M or above per year.(of course not middle classes that have to work like crazy to get settled)  You're absolutely right if H.K. is charging them over 50% tax income, they'd fled more quickily then you think.  In local terms, if no "jet-so"why I stay here???  It's a total chaos in Europe right now & where do you think those rich people are thinking???  They will shift their assets & cash to a comfort & safer zone......Hopefully.....asia....or u think?

24. Mortgage 2012-07-06 17:03:41

To 22/F

It's just my doubt, not stated as a fact in black and white and the government has no clarification. What I  worry is the common things always repeating in history - the new government denies any unfavorable treaties/terms promised by the pervious government.

However we have yet no precedent for this issue. I remember Mr Sze highlighted the issue in an article about the deal of Wharf's Harbour City nonetheless bare of insights. Our buddy Mr Wong suggested that the government would propably ask for a symbolic amount of rent each year. My worry is the government might not be satisfied with those amounts.

Even we could continue to rent, the building will be over 50 years old. It's not safe anymore.

It's just a maggot in my head. Dont take it serious.

25. 無明 2012-07-06 17:29:43

To: 24. Mortgage

Thank you for the clarification.

 

26. 劣質學生 2012-07-07 03:18:35
長期單靠"樓市、金融、零售"去養活七百多萬人,香港只會沉淪.  是中國妥善照顧一個不肖子的必然結果.  一個家庭, 若果父母不思進取, 無法賴以為生, 政府都要照顧 . 久而久之, 這個家庭就永遠站不起來, 香港正如是. 正是食老本, 是為政者 不思進取 的結果 .............................. 

優質學生呀,  整篇文章只有最後一句是觀點正確.
27. 劣質學生 2012-07-07 03:50:10
把責任全歸咎於為政者又不太公平. 

這個社會, 各自謀取各人利益,  各自為名為利各自大聲疾呼, 是非不分, 義無反顧地為主子效忠, 既得利益者排擠後來者,........  令施政困難, 是港人的悲哀.

28. public house owner 2012-07-07 06:53:29
to 23. anggie T.2
I am quit happy you response to my posting. I always go through you posting, which I found always contain some useful information I haven't thought before.

They will shift their assets & cash to a comfort & safer zone.. I am sure they will let their assets stay as they are now. If the tax rate is the same overseas as in HK why should they move away to pay the same Tax rate. Will you do that yourself. I don't know how Singapore do. most Asian countries are quite unstable and corrupted.


29. anggie T. 2012-07-07 12:02:59

Thank u for yoru sharing Mr. Public Housing Owner. The Tax rate here is a paradise still for majority of expat.s.  In U.S. & European countries, the tax rate is high if you make more & investments also they charge u for tax.

When I was a kid 16-17 yrs old, I found it easy to find a PT job to teach people English to earn some extra money(making $100-200per hour at that time very good for a student like me!)  Now I noticed it's more difficult because there's "gwailo" competitors......Those young expat.s with no FT job but wanna try their luck here.  Because of their foreign face they also find alot of teaching jobs in Playgroups, tutoring centres.(much more than before 1997)  My husband is also an expat. & he has almost made a triple of his assets & cash in 4.5 yrs in H.K.  If you interviewed him, he'd say he loves H.K. & he thinks H.K. is a good place to live.  My advice for my Hongkie buddies is:Be the best you could to stay in this city if you truly love HK, there's always some other people that find in a better place & paradise & they'd call it home!