奇怪有些人还不知道，香港人不要CY在一次的好心做坏事。

不过CY喜欢出爛頭蟀，死的也是爛頭蟀。

八萬五應該是問題所在,

1. 當時以香港為主要居住地人口多少?

2. 當時97移民人數多少?

3. 當時返國內工作人口多少?

4. 當時社會人口年齡分佈如何?

相信這些數據不會比今天的數據好! 今天香港尚可未必能夠有承擔八萬五這個數量, 何況當年?  當年政府好大喜功, 議員無腦附和, 當然太多人炒賣也是原因.

(政府手持炒賣數量來作數據以計算興建數量, 實是不智!)

前日睇電視，見倒 CY 落區，向班深水埗街坊話政府係赤柱起公屋及居屋係「德政」，住係嗰度嘅居民都無反對，咁樣 Mark 大眼講大話都得，真係唔揾你做特首都唔得！

我樓下之前有個女看更，就真係住赤柱馬坑邨，她說每日返工放工都要用成個幾两個鐘搭巴士，交通費講緊係每日幾拾元，而附近因為只得兩叁間學校，所以細路要出灣仔或東區讀書！

拒想問正苦係撥塊地起公屋馬坑邨，及两個居屋龍欣苑與龍德苑之前，有無想吓下列簡單問題：-

赤柱係咪只得單綫雙程行車？

有無可能整集體運輸？

而交通費咁貴，窮人點捱？

附近學校又貴又唔多間，啲細路去邊度返學？

醫院又遠在東區或薄扶林，有急病點死？

連拒都唔知正苦同啲議員係唔係用XX思想嘅！

但另一方面，嗰度明明係超靚豪宅地段，随時起倒上百間豪宅！每間起碼幾千萬計，地價以數拾億計，夠在西鐵沿綫起數千個公屋單位！

而嗰啲想係左近樓換樓嘅富豪好想話俾你 CY 知，真係俾你「吹脹」！

好一个好心做坏事.

希特拉至今在某些人眼中仍是好心做坏事.

做了坏事就是坏事, 还分好心做和坏心做的

係 97 年之前，炒幾個單位嘅炒家，當然係死傷枕藉，但亦都係死有餘辜喎！

但嗰啲無想過靠政府幫，只係得一層樓自住嘅小業主又點計先，當時失業率大升，就算保得著份工都面對減薪、加辛、無 OT 、無秘撈嘅苦況，唔少人因此供唔掂層樓，被迫同層樓  Say Good-bye！就咁無曬半生積蓄，咁拒哋又係唔係抵死呢？

隻狼登基後,

大把私人飛機遊艇等佢坐!!

但隻老狼机智過人,

ICAC都入佢吾到!!

HK PEOPLE IS DYING!!

无论支持八万五的人賴三賴四

还是改变不了一个博士结论

一個好心做壞事政策。

原来是忽然网友.

长期网友就知我底啦

唔好估估吓,請不要賴三賴四

香港不是一個計劃經濟地區行經濟策略是有一定風險。當時地政與房屋都是跟英國策略。更把這個策略送去行政局。而且香港這個買辦政治。沒有防經濟風暴。所以自不量力的人所面對問題。現在所有房屋供應都給曾集團拖到公屋要等七年的日子快到。這個八萬五根本沒有罪過。

a lot of people forgot one very "fatal" measure inside the 85,000 policy.

that is -- to sell public housing  賣公屋 !

this act will change the supply abruptly. building 85,000 needs time, but this 賣公屋 policy will pump up the supply in one night.

do u think who suggested this idea ?

true that they belong to different market segment, but this policy did take away some buying forces from the low end market, not sure how big the impact is.

if you ever play the 曡高高遊戲，this policy is like taking the bottom pieces away.

well, may be I am proposing another version of Butterfly Effect.

don't take it so seriously :-p

"97樓市泡沫爆破 + 高利息 + 亞洲金融風暴 + 2000年科網股泡沫爆破 + 2003SARS ，跌7成算少了"

為什麼要加上一個8萬5呢? 當時行政會議成員是否不知高利息+亞洲金融風暴? 抑或明知而一意孤行, 不理後果???

上善兄可否告知這個落成量圖表在哪裏找的? 是否地政署?

85,000 Policy was good policy, ordinary citizens could buy their flats at the bottom prices !

Like many companies went bankrupt, many professionals and middle-class people forgot the risk of cash flows during investing in real estates. Really, we had heard one doctor or dentist who hold over 7 properties at that time ! What they said was Buy More Get More !

Next poor policy, it should be minimum wage. Think about the wage payments are NOT based on education, experience, useful skills, performances and merits, and business environment, their incomes only reply on Laws. How's about the incentives for this working class ? Who takes care of the middle-class people ?

For rough references, we had at least 2 staff ( one driver & one ticketing staff ) for driving a public bus in the old days, nowadays, we only have one driver for all activities for one bus. Even, we have heard unmanned trains for many decades !

Inside a Bank, we had experiences in dealing transactions with a number of tellers at counters or some ATMs in the old days. Now, we have Internet Banking to complete all the transactions. Bank cheques will be no longer used in the near future. 

As Money has been becoming a Digital Number, many Fast Food Chains may design an on screen menu with icons /pictures for customers to select & pay through touching the screens, many low skill people will lose their jobs by introducing new technology. Minimum wages may not be helpful to them.

Further, the society is heading to Electronic Operations and / or Paperless Environment, we CANNOT expect that we need typists, clerks, filing workers, more post officiers for delivery of mails, policemen in the future world.   

Minimum wage policy is good for Lawmakers ! Believe or Not. Time can tell you the truth !

80後銀行兄：

圖表是在Google上搜尋的，出自一份房地產研究報告。具體出處，忘記了，不好意思！

小弟近日與幾位國內投資者交流, 發現他們對香港樓市看法轉趨謹慎. 他們並不像傳媒平時報導那樣想也不想就胡亂出高價買樓, 絕對是看升值潛力! 國內樓價在連番打壓之下, 一線城市普遍比高位回落了10%, 而他們亦預期還有至少再跌10%才有望見底.

最值得參考的, 是他們在國內習慣了政策市, 政策扶助時隨便買都能賺; 但政策要打壓時, 那麼最利害也只能輸少當羸. 建議還是順勢而行. CY即使不每年推8萬5那麼多, 只要供應在上升週期, 需求只會萎縮得更快.

Acutally not just 1997 have quenes for buying properties. even 2003 also have, but the quenes were created by the actors empolyed by land developers !

I remembered when I bought the Metro-Harbour view when it first launches, only 2700/ft in 2001. I also need to stayed overnight (Hang kei like to sell them in mid-night), the developer is Hang Kei. And they empolyed a lot of actors to quene up in order to create the same atomosphere as 97. They even empolyed Fei-Fei to sing songs, and give free Mcdonald's food to not just buyers, but other citizens (just want to create more people, some come here just for free lunch!)

 Next year, the Honghom, another one developed by Cheong Kong (have a bridge connected to Honghom railway station) also have some shows like this around 2002-2003. I remembered the flat is very cheap around 2 millions (of course a lot of people thought very expensive at that time of year). At that time, land developers land to keep you stay at mid-night, may use fatique to make you feel that the building is cheap to buy, and force you to entered into the market.

Your brain may not be so clear at night, and easily brain wash,