其實講民望，林瑞麟就真係低到貼地！

任何現任特首或特首參選人都冇可能民望低過佢，你睇下黃毓民係林公公上任政務司司長時鬧爆他、甚至有人上街遊行抗議就知，只不過現時焦點係特首，D人忘記左佢啫。

如果疫症今年再來

吾知大家係咪仲夠膽入市呢?!

注意個人衛生吧!!

依家樣樣都話講民望喎，呢啲所謂民望，咪只係抽樣調查。抽啲 "樣板" 夠唔夠 random 先得架。好人好姐，日光日白邊有咁得閒俾佢哋調查到吖，接受到調查既人咪又係偏埋一面多… 你分得越多咪越高民望囉。唔使佢哋做當埋你神咁拜都得添。

主要咪又係啲傳媒嘩眾取寵，唔係點谷收視呀？正確觀點唔去教導民眾。香港人又係，唔誇張既唔會睇唔會講；人哋講得誇自己就更加鹽加醋。仲有啲政棍，咁多嘢講，又彈劾又舉報。顧掂自己啲劏房先啦。仲要啲議員收入霸住間公屋嗰啲…

咁樣，香港仲邊有將來吖。十年後連深圳廣州都會超越香港；香港只會變大陸一個三線城市。等我哋啲香港人仲自命不凡，自覺文化水平高喎。自己都唔爭氣，難怪內地啲同胞都睇我哋唔起，亦只會越嚟越睇我哋唔起。有冇見歐洲國家啲人會睇得起希臘人吖，除咗比希臘仲要差嗰啲外。

沒有特首是好事嗎?

局長們可以自動連任. 但行政沒靈魂如跛足一樣. 人對香港有投資信心嗎? 香港又比下去了.

過路人：

你唔好望我哋香港比人好；你望人哋仲差過我哋，咁我哋咪唔會俾人比下去囉

一沉百踩，齐齐搞臭香港。

香港可悲，香港政客可耻！

有句説話叫：

人必自侮而后人侮之

請 博士及諸位, 今日不妨,看看今日信報, 邵力競 的文章.

同意3楼

我家及家人及身边所有勤勤恳恳返工揾食的亲戚朋友从来未接到过任何民意调查电话，都无机会表达意向。所以话这些调查很片面。

博士, 我昨天在飛機上看到信報的一篇文章, 內容是特首人選已定, 但是這人選是梁振英, 非唐唐...

文章的立論是唐唐加上Bow Tie, 再結合四大地產商, 已成一個北京不能全面控制的利益集團, 而北京又是多麼的Controlling, 簡單來說是北京害怕控制不到唐唐

看看这里一些CY的支持者的文笔、用语(粗言烂语)就知道属哪一类型的人，他们所支持及认同的人恐怕都好不到哪里去。

Nothing New !  Greed is Good ! Greed does work ! Everyone takes advantages against sluggish governance !

That is why CY will win the election based on Beijing Consensus ! Next targets are heading to civil servants, according to the admission tickets for CY !

That is Politics !

(4)(5) 樓的CY 打手好懶惰!!!

日日都 copy 個幾句, 仲要係知係人生攻擊, 沒有討論重點, 就知道CY條 team 真係無人才!

又懶又低質素!

To: 15

TT有錢, 請的打手是博士、教授、某傳媒...+所謂讀過書(唔等於有腦)之人。

agree (15) and (19)

不同意見可以接受, 但只作人生攻擊, 沒有points, 就素質低了一點.

從支持者可見CY素質.

To: 13 樓木子　

你說的沒錯，應該是內定好了。除了你所說的，中央還怕大規模示威遊行民心動盪。

“禮義廉恥, 國之四維, 四維不張, 國乃滅亡”, 唐生失禮於人前, 無義於妻子, 既不廉潔又很無恥, 這樣一個除了有錢但毫無禮義廉恥的人可以做香港特首, 太有趣了 : )

佢地们又唔系只会copy and paste，重识得用唔同啲笔名架.

不过最叻都系用埋人地个名咁啦.

另类基层霸权

近日的香港特首选举丑闻不断，西九门，大宅门，地穴门，大都涉及延后利益问题，对提高公民意识得益不少。

回看台湾及东南亚的选举，流水筳派现金的现象也颇多，这些在香港都属于贿选，是明目张胆的贿选，幸好香港有ＩＣＡＣ。

由以上两种现象令我联想到各位参选的选举承诺中的涉疑贿选问题，如某人政纲中说日后向某族群派三千大圆，或为某类人建多些房子好让他们每人一间。这些明码实价的选举承诺跟投票后在票站外派钱，跟所谓的延后利益和利益输送又有什么分别？？请有识之士指教一下。

CY 在商界多年, 商業夥伴和搭檔, 應也不少.

如他的前夥伴和搭檔撐撐他, 應出來為他說話. ( 好的說不了, 壞得不敢說, ,所以無得講)

To Flats 15, 19, 21...

That may be Coincidence, Neligence without any intentions, Careless Mistakes, etc. As everyone knows they have email teams and multimedia groups working for the election, or they are just typing machines.

They will not care about what are policies provided for HK. What they believe they have Red Books in hands and Beijing Consensus !

They Will Never Give Up, Never Give Up ! That's politics !

To No. 31窮人,

For your info., me & my husband are not 炒家. We were just an ordinary family working hard, saving hard and bought a flat for marriage.  With 85,000, our flat became negative asset and because of bad economy, I lost 3 times. 

Can you tell me what I had done wrong and deserved something like that??  If it was purely because of the macroeconomy, I think I still can bare with it.  But it was a man-made disaster, and CY never admitted his mistake and never said sorry to us.  Maybe deep down in his heart he didn't think it was a mistake and he never awares of his own shortcomings (his ignorance regarding economy).  Do you ask us to welcome him again??

To No. 3. 同是路過:

Totally agree with you.  I am very surprise yet sceptical about the polling research.  They may have problem with their sampling method and results in a biased results.

Maybe it is also because of the rule of 80/20.  Poor people tend to support CY more as he promise all sort of welfares.  But the point is, can we trust the judgement of those poor people??  Reality is, poor people have a tendency to make a wrong choice/judgement, that is why they still stay in the lower social class.  It is just ironic with democracy....

唐英年經常顯現賴皮樣,根本經連日各様表現處理事物的觀察,均令人驚其非大將之材.言行輕率,所批評人的說話,似孚對他自己更貼切.我想他做什麼都是理所當然的喊出,但並無深思.一個輕率常自打咀巴的人做特首,是香港之福?

君子慎於言,這話他(唐)懂否?如作為一個特首,將來要面很多直接的應對及質詢,佢可否表現到佢的急才及智慧?暫時我看不到亦感覺不到.

至於8萬5現再重.提出來.你可以說是警示.但每一個人對的歷史教訓是會知所警覺.有大智的人會知道路是應該怎樣選擇,怎樣行.............所以再重提此點相信是小朋友般全無經歷的人的自以為是的想法...........................................

To No. 44. 良心幾錢斤,

Frankly speaking, I find a lot of prejudice in邵力競's article towards the govn't.  He once worked as AO and finally left the govn't.  He might had his hard days in the govn't and inevitably needed to leave the govn't.  During the his tenure, he might accumulated his anger and hatred towards the govn't.  Nobody knows what happened but only himself knows it.  I won't take all his words so serious and direct but will judge if his argument strong enough to support his claim or not. And, I find his argument not so strong.  It's more like his release of anger and hatred towards the govn't.

Nowadays, in HK, most of white collars live the same life as those govn't officials.  All of them won't have stain in their collars and their shoes are also new and shinny and also branded.  So, those govn't officials shouldn't be penalized by that.

"量度貧富差距的堅尼系數全球數一數二" agree with him on this.  But what is the root cause of this problem....I believe that it is resulted from wrong immigration policy.  Everyday, China will approve 150 mainlanders to migrate to HK but HK doesn't have any right to dictate who should be granted to migrate to HK.  As a result, a bunch of low education and low skill people flooded into HK and makes HK 貧富差距 worse.  Yes, it is CE's role to discuss with the Central Gov't and amend on the immigration policy.

"不論開茶餐廳的還是搞科研實業的——卻看不到前景" I CAN'T agree with him on this.  I am an average person in HK.  I don't feel the same with him and my peers also don't feel the same at this point of time.  But I once felt the same during 1998- 2003, with the effect of 85,000, my flat became an negative asset and at the same time I lost jobs 3 times (FYI, I was graduated in a most wanted University in HK with a most wanted bachelor degree).  But now, I feel life is good.

"其實我們要的不是施捨，而是一個公平奮鬥的機會" Again, I can't agree with him.  Why he thinks we don't receive any fair chance to work hard??  I find HK is a most transparent and fair place to live with.  Best of all, we have simplest and lowest tax system and yet we have best protection for the poor i.e. numerous subsidies and best/cheapest medical to the poor.  Can he cite an example around the whole world, which countries or cities provide better system then HK?? 

"但想到過去的種種，以及未來的灰暗"....I also believe that the situation in HK may get worsened, why I think so.....our press is abusing the freedom of press (and the journalist & reporters are a bunch of low quality people), people are abusing the freedom of speech (Legco members are a group of people without conscience), and our voters are immature and not sophisticated enough to make a good and right choice for themselves.  So, when we are having direct election of CE, HK may follow the steps of those European countries and get worse.

BTW, as a Lecturer of Public Admin.  Has he ever given any good and workable suggestion on solving those problems he raised in his article??  I am really interested and look forward to seeing it.

(27) 樓的 CY 打手好傻仔!!

明明 post 了咁多日都只"人生攻擊TT"... 仲話兩個都唔幫?? 全世界睇到架庥... 這證據非常清晰!! 

只係"人生攻擊"無用架... 呢個forum的人高素質d, 會睇 facts 同 supporting 架!!

TO: (33) 點解咁多人不約而同要玩唐豬先？

歷史上, 大眾(majority) 都可以好錯...

例一: 1615年，伽利略受到羅馬宗教法庭的傳訊，在法庭上他被迫聲明和哥白尼學說決裂。 Why? 因為 majority 話太陽環繞地球行... 和地球 是平面不是球體! 當時群情激憤, 話要殺死伽利略... majority is right?

例二: hsi 32000, majority (人數計) 都話會上到起碼 34000... majority is right?

To. No. 45 Good,

"再重提此點相信是小朋友般全無經歷的人的自以為是的想法" what do you mean by that??

"有大智的人會知道路是應該怎樣選擇"but most people are average normal person. And they tend to forget things especially in the good days like now.  有大智的人 are only minority.  So, it is good to remind people 85,000 and how we suffered from it.

By the way, 現在香港人又群情激憤話TT僭建... majority is right or ...

To (51):

請冷靜啲! logically 群情激憤中的一員都會打從心底咁覺得自己一定唔會錯.

在1615年，majority 都曾經打從心底覺得"太陽環繞地球行"和"地球是平面不是球體"! (同想殺死伽利略)

冷靜一點獨立思考一下唔會有壞.

我都從木屋搬到公屋的. 也不是地產的(本人在廠當電子工程師). 我們都有睇報紙,都知道TT間屋和女人的事. 也不同意他這樣做, 但為何我們會在這裡寫呢?

We are going to have an election for a better CEO for contributing us the best in HK economy, not selecting a Mr HK or Best Family of HK !

Right now, many people, particularly those who are living in public estates, HOS, Shum Shui Po and other developing districts in HK, prefer to talk about the family affairs of the candidates, not get the focus on their backgrounds, administration experiences in the public and private sectors, their team members & policies.

Despite I am not graduated from the MOST WANTED local university with a MOST WANTED Degree.

Coming from the lower social class but a Tax-payer anyway, I really feel heart-broken when I read the reply of a so-call, elite ,from our education system.

What's wrong with our education?

How come the core-value of our top graduates are money , money and money.?

How come the mind-set of our top graduates are so narrow and biased.?

If money is the only measure of success, we are all dogs , not ,its dog shit, in front of Dr Tong .

If you think your achievements are all your hard working, think about if you are born in the mountains  of North West China, would it be the same.??

At the time of recession, we can loss our jobs, our cars, our properties, but we cannot loss our hearts.

A man without a decent heart is empty, selfish and arrogant.    

Despite I am not graduated from the MOST WANTED local university with a MOST WANTED Degree.

Coming from the lower social class but a Tax-payer anyway, I really feel heart-broken when I read the reply of a so-call, elite ,from our education system.

What's wrong with our education?

How come the core-value of our top graduates are money , money and money.?

How come the mind-set of our top graduates are so narrow and biased.?

If money is the only measure of success, we are all dogs , not ,its dog shit, in front of Dr Tong .

If you think your achievements are all your hard working, think about if you are born in the mountains  of North West China, would it be the same.??

At the time of recession, we can loss our jobs, our cars, our properties, but we cannot loss our hearts.

A man without a decent heart is empty, selfish and arrogant.    

你有你的价值我，我们有我们的价值观，你不喜欢钱，可以去做义工，等等等。我会比格like你。希望你不要好像CY和泛民的虚伪啦。说话很慷概，只是慷纳税人的概。

但是请不要要求我们同你一样的价值观。

一班政棍日日抽政府後腳為己任,不務正業已成為香港大眾核心價值,傳媒只跟隨做大眾新聞,非客觀報導, 果個＂流夢遺＂嘅說話有什麼新聞價值呢！一個典型抽水政棍搏出位行徑！！馬尿博士專設計下午茶時段做民調,全部為口味而發表,一般平民百姓日日被洗腦式灌輸傾斜形民主,選特首.....只是一個焦點吧了!!!當位嘅亦要隨波逐流賴以生存!!!如此下去,香港還可以有什麼前途可言!!......唉!!

不　堪

• （李純恩）

「裸犯椒分」的樣像鬼一樣，人見人怕。現在是梁的強悍打手。

有誰能用一形容詞貼切地把她形容一下?

CY的辩才，真係TT拍马都追唔上......

在西九事件中，辩称自己的投票起不到决定性作用，故無偏私的动机。

评委不止你一个，你一人的投票当然起不到决定性的作用啦，但与你有無偏私的动机是两回事，不能混淆。

要求重组委员会，凡可能对他抱有成见，或抱有既有立场的议员均不应加入委员会。

为何不同时要求挺他、提名他的议员同样不能加入委员会，以保证调查的公平公正？

同时要求研讯不可在选举前展开，以免对其不公。

TT单嘢点解唔叫你噶马仔选举后先爆，以免影响其选情?

To No. 62. LI,

Is your accusation directed to me??  hmm...after reading your comments, I went back to my own replies to see if I really committed something that will inspire your comments as such.  Making comments in this forum, I just want to share my thoughts with others and tend to inject some objectivity in the discussion.  Obviously, I am not inviting any fight but constructive discussion are always welcomed.

Frankly, I am surprised to see your comments.  I am doubtful where you got the concept that my core value is money, money and money.  Money of course is an important matter to me.  Living in the world, we need money to do all the things for us.   But my one and vital point is that, we need a CE that can lead us to good economy, so that, everyone can have a job, and work their best for a good life and happy family. 

I do respect every classes in the society.  I have no disrespect for those lower social classes who are working hard to improve theirlives.  Me myself came from the lowest class family, migrants from mainland China, didn't speak a single Cantonese and Enghish.  I was even an illegally worker in a factory when I was still a primary student.  Since I was a kid, I had strong will to change my fate....so, I worked hard, studied hard and worked hard after my graduation. I strongly believe that everyone if they work hard enough, think hard enough, they can change their fate.  I feel blessed to live in HK since HK is a vibrant city and the social mobility is high if your urge to change your fate is strong enough, you can change your fate and move up to a high social status.

My experience told me that people need to stay hungry in order to motivate themselves to work hard for a better life.  So, I am very against extreme welfare system (of course, gov't should provide the basic protection to those in need).  Too much welfare will deter one from working hard for themselves and then they will never have chance to progress themselves.

I am not a sentimental person.  I am very practical and pragmatic.  So, sometimes, you may find my comments a bit indifferent.  But I write my every word in good of HK and hopefully, can put in more objectivity, and try to align the thoughts of others with more relevancy in critical matter. 

I cited myself as a victim of 85,000....but I was not the only victim, there were a lot more and some of them were able to make a complain on that as they were died before the dawn comes.  I feel really sorry for them.  This history should not be forgotten and we need to prevent this happen again especially in this critical period of time.  That's why I am so active to make my comments in this forum....Hope that I make myself clear.  Welcome more constuctive comments.  It will always make me think more and progress further.

To LI,

I don't really think I have any achievement....and this is also not my life goal to seek after any kind of achievement....and I believe that I still have noble heart....

In the modern society, we should note that Money is NOT everything,  but Everything is in Money.

Without the CEO of HKSAR for a while, we DO need to Pay for the lawmakers who have already requested to raise their incomes to HK140,000 per month from HK70,000 a month. So far, we have NOT heard a reasonable explanation for that !

Please think about how's cash involved from the basic points, such as the pre-birth, clothing, foods, education, training, living, travelling, working, retirement, medical expenses up to leaving for heaven.

In short, ONLY Atmospheric Air is Free ! Don't blame the businessman/the middle-class people/ private homeowners/your parents as they have been contributing a lot to the society, please !