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1. 倒行逆施 2012-10-29 10:42:56

 

地價4000,建築成本3000,發展商利潤2000,本來已經就是天價。政府本應減少成本,減輕市民負擔,但新政策卻加重總成本,想把BSD收歸庫房,其實是倒行逆施,後果誰負???

是陳阿茅或是張阿丙??? 但絕不會是梁振英。

2. 股民 2012-10-29 11:43:03
瘟神官爺出陰招,口袋有現金者不防襯低買番幾手四大股票,政府明益外資熱錢,幫手推低價位比外資大袋入貨,無理由本地薑唔識玩呢個財富轉移戲法喎!!快快轉場入貨啦!!
3. 路人 2012-10-29 12:38:40
回覆樓主1
地價4000,建築成本3000,發展商利潤2000,總成本9000
少, 地價越貴是正常事, 但香港市民為什麼不去罵發展商要賺盡利潤而只去罵政府呢!!!
發展商利潤2000 是一定的嗎?????
就算地價1000, 貪心的發展商要賺更多利潤, 樓價也不一定便宜

4. 亮劍 2012-10-29 13:16:25

住宅土儲再縮水 「夠用兩年多」
政府評估391公頃 專家稱僅150

【明報專訊】政府公布的「空置住宅官地圖」,經本報揭發後證明嚴重「發水」,本報並特別邀請兩名專業人士分析該圖則,估計真正可建住宅的面積,可能只得150公頃土地,比起政府評估的391.5公頃,足足少了超過六成;專家又預計這大為縮水的「住宅土儲」,只夠應付香港未來兩年多的房屋需求。

料可建11萬單位 大減六成

房產發展研究中心研究員、理工大學客席講師姚松炎分析政府圖則後說,根本沒有391.5公頃,估計只有150公頃官地可建住宅。姚松炎表示,他的假設是根據地積比率5倍、平均單位面積約700方呎計算。所以150公頃土地,大約只可建11.5萬個單位,若以本港每年公私營需求5萬個單位計算,意味政府手上的「住宅官地」,只夠本港「消耗」兩年多,也較原來的所謂391公頃「住宅地」可建30萬個單位、夠6年用,勁減逾六成。

事實上,391.5公頃土地相當於15個太古城的面積,若政府住宅土儲真如姚松炎推算一樣,大減至只剩150公頃,即意味政府手上住宅土儲,將由15個太古城減至只餘6個太古城。

姚松炎認為,政府圖則如此出錯實在難以置信,指樓價急升,社會正十分關注政府手上還有多少土地,現時政府公布這樣一個圖則,完全無助於社會討論。

推算「已相當寬鬆」 未計爭議地

姚表示,該圖則大部分空置住宅官地,都是極狹窄及斷斷續續,根本不能建樓,而他推算的150公頃住宅官地,其實已計算得相當寬鬆,因為他亦發現有不少地皮位於已建住宅的正前方,若重建,或會遇到區內居民強烈反對,但他計算的150公頃住宅官地,並沒有扣除這類地皮。他表示,150公頃住宅官地只夠香港使用兩年多,而全球先進的城市一般都為未來10年的土儲作出規劃。

工程師:大部分於屋苑邊難建樓

土木及結構工程師蘇耀坤分析政府的空置住宅官地圖後,批評圖則錯漏百出。蘇稱,首先,政府先表明該圖則已扣除4種不適合發展的類別,但同時又表示剩下的地皮也要視乎個別條件,才能決定可否建樓,此種表述方式會令市民感到十分混亂。蘇發現圖內大部分地皮都是位於屋苑邊緣,根本不可能建樓,推算只有大約190公頃土地可建住宅。

圖則誤導 倡撤回重繪

蘇耀坤估計,出現這些錯誤,可能由於政府某些紀錄不完善,加上主要依賴電腦分析繪圖,以及沒有委派足夠人手覆檢,但事件本身難以置信。由於這圖則誇大政府土儲及誤導市民,政府應撤回這圖則,重繪後再公布。

蘇耀坤表示,政府這次錯誤露出底牌,讓市民知道政府手上空置住宅地皮實在相當少,故建議政府除要加快覓地外,亦要考慮增加部分地皮的地積比率,以及加快舊區重建。

明報記者

 

如果明報無老作,咁就怪不得 CY 發啷厲,要出 BSD 止咳,呢個政府土地庫得兩年貨仔,肯定 BIG 5 收曬風,否則佢哋點敢喺屯門元朗都開 七八千?

請問政府仲有乜嘢收收埋埋唔俾得我哋知,唔該一炮過講出來好喎,入唔入市都好,等大家作個打算。

否則大地產商同大型外資因為消息靈通,就可狂玩資訊不對等嘅內幕交易,小市民更處於不利嘅位置,敵暗我明俾人睇通晒咪仲傷!

5. 可以點 2012-10-29 14:55:28

3樓:

政府沒可能地價1000。因為收返的農地都要800。

政府不行高地價,教育的支出,醫療的支出,社會福利的支出,錢從何來???

講到底,高地價絕對是高樓價的元兇。地越賣越貴,里印費越收越高,建築成本隨通貨膨脹升,政府視若無睹。

今日市民買樓,其中有一部分是為了抗通賑。我是一個老人家,手中有300多萬存款,買股票不懂,放定期息又低,且購買力越來越低,除了買樓,請問我可以點?????

6. 向CY說不 2012-10-29 15:58:34

在破坏派的破坏之下,CY边有可能用800元买农地。

CY班友四肢发达,头脑简单。除了破坏派4成的铁票反对,今次最少多10%加入反对阵营。条有on99

7. 回5 2012-10-29 16:51:54
還可Roll回內地做大陸人
8. BSD 夠辣 2012-10-29 18:50:27

好多富豪鍾意用公司買賣物業,事關轉讓公司可以省下一大筆印花稅,但只限於相熟朋友之間先會咁做,咁先唔怕對方隱瞞公司有其他債務。另一個好處就係隱藏自己身份。

近年豪宅樓價不時出現天價,每逢有天價成交,大家最想睇相關嘅土地註冊處資料,睇吓買家係邊位,可惜,呢類買得起天價豪宅嘅買家通常唔想大家知道佢哋真正嘅身份。

最經典莫過於恒地(012)天匯,恒地09年底話以天價4.39億沽出一伙,旋即引來全城傳媒發掘誰是買家,故事發展落去變成大批撻定同商罪科介入。近期啲,太古地產(1972)4.3億賣咗個OPUS傲璇8樓單位,由於又係以公司名義買,買家身份只有佢本人先最清楚。

有咗BSD之後,公司買樓就要先畀15%,想隱藏身份嘅買家,斷估冇理由畀多15%樓價來買個神秘身份啩,假設4億買件貨,BSD要6000萬喎,呢個數買多間細嘅都得啦。

諗諗吓,呢招除咗趕走炒家,仲嚇走神秘買家,唔知邊位高人諗出來呢。

9. 鬥地主 2012-10-30 00:21:46
10. 明益收租佬 2012-10-30 20:00:15

而香港政府的新措施卻無意中鼓勵了一群勉強有資格置業的族群在歷史最低利息的時候入市。 如果利率回升或香港樓市逆轉,他們將來的苦難恰恰加深了將來樓市下跌的痛苦和香港社會的動盪。

新政策實施后,官員口口聲聲話用家主導市場,但目前已經有專家預測明年會跌10%,大家都採取觀望態度,加上要綁三年, 如果三年內經濟轉壞,或是沙士重來,H1N1,三年後加息等 引起樓價大跌,用家好可能變負資產或者供樓有困難,到時要賣樓訓街還是跳樓自殺。

好想知道這次辣招到底在哪方面幫忙首次置業和用家 ?????

?真的愈幫愈忙!!!

11. 明儀 2012-10-31 11:06:16
香港中小型私人住宅內地個人賣家按季統計(2012年第3季)賣家比例3.2%到3.3%連續四個季度平穩

  中原地產研究部高級聯席董事黃良昇指出,香港中小型私人住宅市場,已知內地個人賣家比例;佔宗數比例連續四個季度,維持在3.2%到3.3%的水平;佔金額比例同樣連續四個季度,維持在3.5%到3.7%的水平。估計大部份內地賣家是長年居港的,買賣均跟隨香港的市況,佔比例頗為穩定。
   相反,2012年第3季中小型私人住宅,內地個人買家佔宗數及金額比例,按年分別下跌0.4及2.3個百分點,分別降至10.4%及12.0%。
   2012年首三季有較多內地個人二手賣家的屋苑:嘉湖山莊31宗,0.69億元;日出康城29宗,1.60億元;柏慧豪園27宗,0.77億元;映灣園18宗,0.88億元:海濱南岸16宗,0.84億元。

如有查詢請電96726698中原地產研究部高級聯席董事黃良昇市場分析員:黃良昇/楊明儀中原地產研究部
2012年10月30日
 
12. 地獄之路 2012-10-31 14:56:12
股壇長毛David Webb :

Some-Buyer's Stamp Duty
30th October 2012

First it was the "HK land for HK Permanent Residents" policy on new residential land leases. Now the Government is proposing a discriminatory form of taxation - a "Buyer's Stamp Duty" of 15% on any person who is not a Permanent Resident (PR) and buys a home in HK. That is a status that most new arrivals can only get after 7 years of residency.

This marks a dangerous precedent - for the first time, the amount of tax you pay depends on your immigration status in Hong Kong. You can come here to work, and you must then pay salaries tax, but you can't spend your earnings on a home without paying more tax than the permanent resident sitting next to you. If the proposal is passed, then it lays the path for other possible discriminatory taxes - for example, the Government might propose that non-Permanent Residents pay salaries tax at higher rates, claiming that they are "taking jobs" from PRs, or they might charge higher stamp duty on tenancies with non-PR tenants, because they are putting upward pressure on rents for apartments that PRs might rent.

This is at odds with the often-stated Government goal of social harmony and its calls for Acceptance of New Arrivals in HK. The video opens with "No matter where we came from, or how long we've been here, we are all part of the Hong Kong family". Yeah, right. By telling PRs that they are special, the Government strengthens the "them and us" mentality. And yet, if you are a "foreigner" like Google, and want 2.7 hectares of cheap land for a data centre, creating fewer than 10 permanent jobs per hectare (25 in all), then no problem! At a plot ratio of 5, a site of that area could produce  135,000 sq.m. (1.45m sq ft) of floor area, or about 2,400 homes. Google paid about HK$102.6m for the site, assuming they sealed the deal after premiums went up on 24-Aug-2011. A residential site of that size in Tseung Kwan O would cost about $4k per sq ft of floor area, or around HK$5,800m. Have we got our priorities right? Anyone for a new industrial estate, Cyberport, or Science Park?

Another possible discriminatory tax would be a selective sales tax on all things, not just apartments, to deter mainlanders from crowding into our shops and buying things to take home. We could have a sales tax for which PRs (on production of their ID card) are exempt, but non-permanent residents (who have no vote) and non-ID card holders pay, let's say (picking a number out of thin air), 15%?

Who are they trying to protect?

Ironically, by erecting a prohibitive barrier to home ownership by non-PRs, the new tax will ensure that when the bubble bursts, fewer non-permanent residents, and more PRs, will lose money. It's the Government's way of saying to non-PRs, "beware of our property market" while encouraging locals to believe that the market is "healthy and stable" for them. But surely buying property is a mistake that anyone should be allowed to make for themselves. Meanwhile, if you are a PR who owns property, the only real way out is now to sell to another PR.

The Basic Law

Through BSD, the Government proposes, in effect, to prohibit anyone other than a PR from buying your property. Shouldn't you be free to sell to whomever you like? After all, it is your property, isn't it? Article 105 of the Basic Law says in part:

"The [HKSAR] shall, in accordance with law, protect the right of individuals and legal persons to the acquisition, use, disposal and inheritance of property..." (emphasis added)

That is "property" in the legal sense of the word, including immovable property, i.e. real estate. The "legal persons" phrase is in there to be specific that the Basic Law protects not just individuals (humans), but also companies, partnerships and other organisations, and it doesn't say "HK passport holders", or even "permanent residents", it says "individuals". Yes, it says "in accordance with law" (meaning common law and local legislation), but when you start making unequal laws that financially favour one class of individual over another based on their immigration status, and favouring that class over "legal persons", then you are on very shaky ground.

The Government may argue that this is not a prohibition, merely a financial deterrent - well alright then, at what level of duty does it become at least partially prohibitive? How about 20%, 100%, or 1,000%? The Government may also argue that BSD falls within its power of taxation under Article 108 of the Basic Law. That says:

"The [HKSAR] shall...enact laws on its own concerning types of taxes, tax rates, tax reductions, allowances and exemptions, and other matters of taxation."

But there is a thin line between taxation and penalty. Penalties are for the courts to impose, subject to a fair trial, and a penalty which restricts a Basic Law right would surely be unconstitutional. It would be one thing to deter all purchases, as a matter of (ill-conceived) policy, by charging very high rates of stamp duty (we already do some of that, by charging up to 4.25% on all residential transactions, a measure introduced in the 2010 budget). But to do this only when the buyer is a non-permanent resident or a company, raising the charge to 19.25%, seems a lot more like a penalty than a legitimate form of taxation. Is there really a policy objective that can turn this into a legitimate tax, or just a political desire to be popular with voters, who are all PRs?

Bubble? What bubble?

As usual, the Government speaks of "maintaining a healthy, stable property market" - but to maintain something, it has to be there already. If it is healthy and stable, then why do they think these measures are needed? They cannot bring themselves to admit that we are in a bubble. Instead they say "the risk of a property bubble forming is increasing". In fact, the phrases "healthy and stable" and "risk of a property bubble" in Government press releases goes back at least 32 months to the budget speech of 24-Feb-2010, and prices are up about 40-50% since then.

The main cause of this is record low, and persistently low, interest rates, not demand from foreigners (for which, read, "mainlanders"). As Financial Secretary John Tsang said on Friday, the proportion of residential property transactions by "non-local" buyers was only 6.5% in 2011. The current Chief Executive, C Y Leung, was quoted in a Government press release on 19-Jun-2012 (only 4 months ago):

"He said that although non-Hong Kong residents are still coming to the city to purchase properties, they are not doing so in numbers that affect resident Hong Kong buyers."

If anything, there has been a downtrend in such activity since the mainland economy began to cool. So the Government has failed to demonstrate any policy objective for this taxation. And note that the original plans in Mr Leung's manifesto related to HK land for all residents, not just PRs - but then he remembered that only PRs have a vote.

Waving his hands in the general direction of the sky, Mr Tsang said on Friday:

"this [BSD] is an extraordinary measure introduced under exceptional circumstances. We shall consider withdrawing this measure when the market regains its balance"

"Regains its balance" - what on earth does that mean? When the market has fallen enough? When it stops going up? When it stops going down? How can a market be imbalanced and yet "healthy and stable"? In economic terms, the market is always "balanced" at a price which reflects supply and demand - so he can only mean that he wants to reduce demand and shift the price downwards.

Killing the redevelopment market

If BSD takes effect, or until LegCo rejects the necessary legislation, redevelopment of residential buildings (other than by existing owners of whole buildings) will grind to a halt, because companies who would normally buy up old apartments and consolidate them for redevelopment will now face a prohibitive 15% purchase tax. That is bound to have a negative impact on supply in about 3 years' time, offsetting some of the supply increases that the Government has introduced. Perhaps the Government will seek to introduce a BSD rebate scheme for redevelopers - but that would be controversial in itself. How do you define a redeveloper? How quickly must they redevelop a site to qualify for BSD exemption or rebate?

Even if a rebate scheme existed, a developer embarking on a consolidation project would have to pay the BSD on each purchase and take the risk that it cannot get 100% ownership. Then the developer would have paid all that BSD without being able to recover it. The developer might get to the 80% or 90% threshold at which (depending on the building age) they can trigger an auction of the site under the Land (Compulsory Sale for Redevelopment) Ordinance, but then they would take the risk that a second developer would win the auction and the first one would have no rebate of the BSD. On the other hand, if there is no BSD exemption for bidders in such an auction, then third-party bidders would be hopelessly uncompetitive unless they could get credit for the BSD already paid by the majority owner. It would result in single-bid auctions by the majority owner, disadvantaging the minority owners in the auction.

All of this would leave the Government's Urban Renewal Authority in an even more dominant position in the redevelopment market - not only because of its existing statutory powers of compulsory purchase (which are not subject to any ownership threshold) but because any stamp duty it has to pay to buy out owners of old buildings goes straight back to the URA's owner, the Government, so the URA in essence is exempt from stamp duty. This takes the redevelopment market even further away from free-market principles.

SSD 2.0

We won't spend much time repeating our criticism of Special Stamp Duty (SSD). It is unconstitutional because it penalises owners who sell their properties within a certain time frame, in other words, for exercising their right of disposition of property under Basic Law Article 105, and it doesn't fall within Article 108 because it is not a legitimate form of taxation. It is not a legitimate tax because its stated purpose is to inhibit a form of behaviour without demonstrating that this behaviour harms society (unlike, say, the public cost of treating cigarette-related illnesses and the associated lost productivity), and because even if it could be shown that investing or trading in properties is bad (rather than good) for society, the tax is unfocussed and hits too many people who could not by any stretch be called speculators.

Now, by moving the cut-off from 2 years to 3 years, and doubling the rate from 5% to 10% for resales after 1 year, the SSD is bound to capture even more unintended victims. How many people, other than civil servants who implement such policies, could be sure of having an income in 3 years time, with which to pay their mortgage? Watch as the law catches more people who have only ever owned one home at a time, but now need to sell, for whatever reason - job relocation, divorce, death of an income-producing spouse or just the knowledge (when it happens) that the market is heading down and they are headed for negative equity. There is an SSD exemption for bankruptcy and foreclosure - but that's a Catch-22. Either take the SSD hit, or wait for the bank to foreclose - either way, the homeowner faces financial ruin.

And by the way, even though Mr Tsang says that "resale within 12 months has virtually disappeared", he is increasing the rates on that from 15% to 20% (on resales within 6 months) and from 10% to 15% (within 6-12 months). Like putting a few more bullets in the corpse. What does he expect to achieve from this, other than looking tough? He also cites statistics on resales within 12-24 months, noting that they have increased from 83 cases in Mar-2012 to 218 cases in Sep-2012. That's about 0.02%, or 1 in 5,000 private-sector homes per month. Hardly a menace to society.

SSD 2.0 only applies to transactions after last Friday. We'll bet him a can of Pringles that if he gets legislative approval for SSD 2.0 then he (or his successor) will have to repeal it within the next 3 years.

13. HK市民 2012-10-31 15:53:56

筆者說︰而香港政府的新措施卻無意中鼓勵了一群勉強有資格置業的族群在歷史最低利息的時候入市。

很想筆者提提意見, 究竟要用什麼政策才可避免呢?

繼續任由樓價上升,令他們無法購入?或禁止這群人士買樓呢?

從來,置業是人生一重大決定,每個人都應為自己行為負責。

14. 陈增涛复 2012-10-31 20:18:28

回十三楼HK市民先生:你说得好,“置业是人生一重大决定,每个人都应为自己行为负责。”不过当今政府可以通过宽松的货币政策激发通货膨胀,把平时对整体经济运作没有时间去弄明白的老百姓都憋疯了。日本二十年前房地产的爆破,美国近年来房地产爆破所引起的经济震荡如今历历在目。执政者好自为之,不要认为自己比日本美国都聪明。梁振英政府最近打压香港楼市措施只是治标不治本的虚招,为时也晚好心容易做坏事,更无意中动摇了香港灵活的自由经济基础。香港楼市最近之沸腾,冰封三尺非一日之寒,不是一两招急就章可以在社会承受力可接受的情况下得到有效的纾缓。我会偏向于避免行政手段,制造环境比如说重新考虑联系汇率(见博客“揮之不去的聯繫匯率”),制定修正当今按揭利率机制等,长远的政策之中有短期的效应,让楼市投机风险剧增炒家知难而退。

15. 上善若水 2012-11-01 00:25:36
陳教授:

若現時取消聯繫匯率,港元對美元應該升值。在升值預期下,大量外來資金會流入香港,恐怕會加劇香港資產價格的暴漲,包括樓價,均以港元計價。相反,當有一日港元被預期對美元貶值,大量資金又可能撤離香港,包括樓價在內的資產價格又可能暴跌,亦以港元計價。在目前資金主導的市場中,價值已被嚴重扭曲,取消聯繫匯率,可能令資產價格更加大幅波動。

觀乎近年實行浮動匯率的亞洲諸國情況,匯率往往與資產價格同步,即匯率越高,資產價格就越高,都以本國貨幣計價,反之亦然。這表示資金流決定了一切,息率調控反而被動跟隨。
16. HK市民 2012-11-01 01:32:15

很同意#15上善若水對聯繫匯率的分析。

反而對筆者所述並不認同。

梁特首上任後提出的十招短、中期措施,尚且無法制止樓價飆升。

筆者所述在长远的政策之中有短期的效应,让楼市投机风险剧增炒家知难而退。我認為是說易行難!

17. 陈增涛复 2012-11-01 05:51:56

15楼上善若水,16HK市民先生:世界上没有一个国家的汇率是百分百自由浮动的。香港的联系汇率三十年不变,已经完全脱离了香港经济现实和整体利益。尤其是香港工业一早式微,不需要人为的压低汇率维持出口。更不要说香港主要日用品和食物多从内地进口,人民币的升值加剧了香港百物沸腾的力度。如果香港脱离联系汇率,对香港被严重扭曲的价格回归平衡有利,可缓和民生难以忍受的通货膨胀。我同意上善如水先生说的,当今金融市场由热资主导。以致实行浮动汇率的亚洲诸国,“汇率往往与资产价格同步,即汇率越高,资产价格就越高”的情况。 但此结论并没有显示香港联系汇率更好。是否,热资需面对资产价格的大幅波动可能性,须有更大的利润空间才会入场,而在联系汇率机制之下,少了一层考虑汇率风险,在港币跟随美元贬值的大前提下,有更多外来热钱到香港觅食并进入楼市?梁政府的买家印花税(BSD)既对炒家用公司名下购买的物业转卖公司无效,炒家依然可以在分化的楼市入市,也继续持有手上的物业进一步减少了楼市的供应。我估计政府的行政手段和炒家之间的博弈非到楼市崩盘难以罢休。 难道联系汇率有减低了资产价格大幅动荡的风险的功能?我说的“长远的政策之中有短期的效应,让楼市投机风险剧增炒家知难而退。”当然说易行难。不过如果投机需要付出更高的成本,自然会减低投机的偏好。中国大陆的超强力行政措施执行至今,双方博弈依然胶着。难道香港打压楼市的行政措施还要加码

18. 亮劍 2012-11-01 10:19:29

什麼是打白條?

1.是政府收购农民公粮,没有现钱给付,开一张欠条给个人,以后有钱会给付,如果没有钱,有可能泡汤。

2.机关、事业单位没有现钱兑付,开给个人的一张欠条,以后有可能兑付,也有可能无能力兑付。

中國地區政府做過嘅嘢,現在美國已經做咗或做緊,而在可見之將來,不但唔會收歛節制,這些白條只會打得更多,做得更狼死!

試看美國中產生活方式,首先在偏遠地區買間花園洋房,內附有泳池,然後買一兩架大馬力食油怪,再每日揸粒幾兩粒鐘上下班----

咁攪法人均水資源、能源及各式各樣資源會少嗎?

美國在這十多弍拾年,大半國民豐衣足食,而美國各總統極之唔希望佢嘅國民生活質素大幅倒退先係死症。

當所有國家唔掂嗰陣都要厲行節約,緊褲頭,美國就可以打白條、開行印鈔機同將資產負債表無限擴張,講得通嗎?

港元同美金掛鉤,香港嘅貨幣供應會水漲船高,各式各樣資產會緊隨急漲,民不聊生!

但脫鉤會將問題解決嗎?就當你香港實施負責任嘅財經法案,以免市民承受通貨膨脹之苦,咁美國嘅投資者就可大模大樣,大手大腳用印刷得來嘅白條買進你「相對平價」嘅資產,可能有人話白條有美國政府照嘅,唔使驚!

但今日值一萬元購買力嘅白條,叁拾年後只能買倒隻雞,咁同打刧有何分別?

我好希望我講錯,但如果幾拾年後每次買樓都係講緊每呎 1 M 2 M,咁呢個世界會變成點?

19. 亮劍 2012-11-01 15:12:16

美國國民有今日咁風光,是杖著係呢個世界唯一軍事強國及可任印銀紙權吃老本,衰啲講即係靠鎗桿子同銀紙,加上食腦對付唔同敵人、朋友及對手。

對擁有資源嘅國家,順美者昌,否則玩到你家破人亡!

對盟國態度,亦要唯佢馬首是瞻,聽教聽話,否則三大評級公司日日寫到你國家各項債務變成垃圾!

對潛在競爭者,圍堵、打擊、唱衰及用高幾班嘅金融智識攪鬼你,等你崛都崛唔起,免得你同佢爭乜爭物。

世界唔少發展中國家嘅人民,都希望過美國式中產生活,但地球有限資源點分配?價高者得或力强者勝請弍選一,但無論你揀乜,通貨膨脹係一定發生嘅!

薪水當然有得升,但追倒通脹算你好彩!

人總會死,無謂強求,但如果你唔喺你識行識走嗰陣,揾夠錢並將之轉成各式各樣,足以隨通脹上升嘅資產,臨老真係惨到無倫,好不幸印出來嘅公仔紙包括各國貨幣都唔算。

仲有唔好旨意任何政府同你嘅下一代會幫倒手,分分鐘佢哋仲窮過你,唔使你幫佢哋要偷笑,算執倒!

20. 上善若水 2012-11-01 17:37:30
亮劍兄講得好! 我經常對人講投資不用太貪心,每年增值跑贏通賬3-5%足矣,好多人笑我要求低。其實投資這件事是好天收埋落雨柴,取其平均值,若長期每年都能跑贏通脹3~5%殊不容易,3~5%的淨回報足以讓一個普通中產人士,在不傷本的情況下,安心過其退休生活。對平民百姓而言,夫復何求!
21. 寄生虫 2012-11-01 17:51:55
我經常對人講投資不用太貪心,每年增值跑贏通賬3-5%足矣!你這樣的想法已輸了,買樓投資最重要是現金流,供樓僩僩地二,三十年,如果計每年回報賺咗都唔夠買驚風丸!
23. 寄生虫 2012-11-05 12:39:12
樓上
1970年三萬幾蚊買層樓收租,三十年以來試過由二佰萬跌到幾十萬現在又回到三百萬,如果計每年回報我早已嚇破膽不會活到現在!